Posts tagged tea party
Posts tagged tea party
Rep. John Fleming’s “By the time I feed my family, I have maybe $400,000 left over” quote is running around the Internet faster than Tea Partiers applaud executions and curse freedom-hating uninsured folk.
The quote wasn’t quite that straight-forward, which was pointed out by Tumblr user fochaux.
While people are quick to disregard this quote as out of context - though not as quick to Political Wire was to pull this statement out of context - I have yet to see anyone actually provide the full context. So here you go.
Chris Jansing: Is there a real disconnect with most of America that’s really hurting, Congressman, and we’re seeing through loopholes… through funny accounting… through all the ways that people have money to hire accountants - spend a fraction percentage-wise… give the government a fraction of their income… compare to what middle America does?
Rep. John Fleming: Again, if you go after the higher income earner, you’re also going after the job creators.
Jansing: Okay, explain this to me, because I’m truly trying to figure this out. I’m not an economist, I don’t own businesses and I know that you do. But aren’t we talking about taxing people who are making personally - their personal wealth - a million dollars and more a year? How does that hurt them from their business which is successful… and we know that businesses are making more money than they have been in a very long time when you look at the corporate earnings -
Fleming: Yes, right.
Jansing: How does that stop them from hiring people?
Fleming: The answer is no for two reasons. Number one: this actually raises taxes on those making $200,000 and more, and then an additional tax on those making $1 million and more. Most small businesses in this country today are taxed at the individual level - S corporation, LLC. So whatever is cut out of those earnings is money taken out of capital for re-investment for creating more jobs, opening up more locations. So the more you tap that down, the less jobs are going to be created -
Jansing: But that’s still separate from their own personal income.
Fleming: No, no, it’s all mixed together.
Jansing: Well you can’t use - you still have to file a personal income tax. If you’re taking a salary from a business you own, those taxes are separate from your own personal income taxes.
Fleming: No that really isn’t how it works, Chris. What happens is, in my own case - I own LLCs - the income flows to my personal tax return and whatever is left over after taxes are paid, I feed my family on the one hand and on the other hand I re-invest in my business.
Jansing: Well, with all due respect Congressman, the Wall Street Journal estimated that your business - which I believe are Subway sandwich shops and UPS stores, very successful - brought you last year over $6 million.
Fleming: Yeah, that’s before you pay 500 employees, you pay rent, you pay equipment and food. The actual net income of that was only a mere fraction of that amount.
Jansing: So you’re saying that if you have to pay more in taxes, you would get rid of soem of those employees? Those are not as successful business as we indicated?
Fleming: I would say that since my net income - and again that is the individual rate that I told you about - the amount that I have to re-invest in my business and feed my family is more like $600,000 of that $6.3 million. And so by the time I feed my family, I have maybe $400,000 left over to invest in new locations, upgrade my locations, buy more equipment, all of that.
Jansing: You do understand Congressman that the average person out there who’s making 40, 50, 60 thousand dollars a year… when they hear that you only have $400,000 left over… it’s not exactly a sympathetic position. You understand that?
Fleming: Well again, class warfare has never created a job. That’s people that will not get jobs. This is all about creating jobs, Chris. This is not about attacking people who make certain incomes. In this country, most people feel that being successful in their business is a virtue, not a vice. And once we begin to identify it as a vice, this country is going down.
The most interesting revelation to come out of this clip is that it apparently takes costs the Congressman $200,000 to feed his family. Even if he more broadly meant it costs him $200,000 to generally support his family, let’s face it: the man is still very, very well off compared to his 46 million neighbors. On the business side - as much as I love to stick my nose where it doesn’t belong - I can’t comment on his $400,000 income because I have no idea what his operational costs are or what his typical expense sheet looks like.
What does it look like when a politician tries to weasel out of answering questions about her views on some of today’s most important issues? Oh right, this. And Piers is right. If you are on a show to talk about your book, anything in the book is fair game, not just the stuff you want to talk about.
Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.
What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.
So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.
More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates.
Last year, political neophyte Rick Scott spent $73 million of his own money to bring the tea party’s anti-government, pro-privatization agenda to the Florida governor’s office. Today, the former executive pays just $30 a month for health care—and lets taxpayers cover the rest…
Scott and his dependents pay one-fifth what a janitor in the state Capitol pays for health insurance… and less than 3 percent of what a retired state trooper pays for life-saving coverage.
This is disgusting.
(Source: Mother Jones)
Manatees (aka sea cows) are gentle, endangered beasts who spend most of their time floating peacefully and munching sea grass. The Tea Party says that protecting them is “against the Bible and Bill of Rights”. Wait, what?
What the actual F@*k is wrong with these people?!?
In case any of you were ever, ever, ever confused. (via tressiemcphd)
Now, I want you to consider this push to end public schools, the ongoing attacks on reproductive choice, the gutting of social safety nets, and the push to replace union workers with prisoners. The Tea Party isn’t about freedom, it’s about creating a permanent underclass with no hope of financial mobility. (via karnythia) (via xfafafabulous)
I can’t even think coherently with this nonsense. So let’s make sure that instead of providing free education for all children, we’ll take that away so that poor repressed children of the wealthy don’t have to slum it with the rest of us? Are they seriously trying to do away with education completely?
I guarantee you every legislator in favor of this has some sort of financial interest in charter/private schools. FOLLOW THE MONEY.
I have been and will always advocate for the public school system. As far as I am concerned, the only thing wrong with the public education system here in America is that we do not put enough money into it. Our teachers are under paid for the great service they do. Almost every well rounded person I know has been the result of the public education system. I spent 13 years in the public school system, 4 years at a public university, and I am damn proud of my education. On top of that, my mom has been a public school teacher for over 30 years. I plan to have my kids attend public school so that they can get the kind of well rounded and insightful education I received. And I will be damned if I let the Tea Party ruin that.
I hope that these Tea Partiers understand that in the end, they will fail. The public school systems have been producing well rounded and productive members of society for a long time. They only began to have a significant problems when the government started to try to make school “more accountable” with No Child Left Behind and needless standardized tests. Add on top of that the loss of funding for programs like the charter voucher systems which are taking funding away from schools that need it.
I come from the belief that public school should be able to afford to have provide both basic and specialized education for its students. They should be able to afford programs in art and music while being able to have special education programs for the gifted and special needs. Call me a communist, a socialist, or whatever other name you think is insulting (when it isn’t). The truth is the Tea Party should recheck their goals. Adding a voucher system increases the size of government. Reducing government means keeping it out of my public school system. I do believe that is a contradiction in philosophies…
Tea Partiers, if you don’t like the public school system, then pay to send your kid to private school like everyone else who feels like that. Or better yet, try advocating for changes that would make the public school systems better and give them more funding, so everyone can benefit.
**Teachers: One of the few remaining true groups of public servants**
Former NPR VP Ron Schiller’s FUCK YOU to the right.
So true. How many Tea Partiers are voting against their own economic interests? Part of American culture is the belief that anyone can make it, anyone can turn their life around and be a millionaire. And it’s true. There’s a reason they call us the Land of Opportunity. Unfortunately, many people will not make it, and end up destitute because they voted for legislators who think poor people are scum.
RC: What are the specific requirements in the bill?
MB: That they have to have the long form birth certificate.
RC: What is the long form birth certificate?
MB: Now, you’re asking me to get into a lot of things that I haven’t really looked into yet.
Tennessee state Sen. Mae Beavers, attempting to explain to an Internet radio show host why she introduced a bill to require presidential candidates to submit a long-form birth certificate. Read the full story here.
What is best in life?
To crush the unions
See them driven before you
And hear the lamentations of the liberals
Also I love the “apologies to frazetta” in the top corner.